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Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« on: December 29, 2012, 08:39:00 PM »
Over the past week, Dec 22 - 29 I've noticed that there has been a large increase in the number of loan listings where the applicant has a public record on file.  Anecdotally prior to this week I rarely saw listings with public records but now it seems like the majority of them have one.  Has something changed with the way information is being reported or what gives?

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2012, 10:34:20 PM »
I normally screen out public records anyway, but I just looked at total loans available a few minutes ago & it stood at 1093. If you screen out only those with public records you're left with 591. I don't have anything to compare this with the average historically, but yes, 46% of all loans available having a public record seems dramatically elevated right now. Though I wouldn't want to suggest any reasons or draw any conclusions just yet.

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2012, 10:53:23 PM »
Here's a table by vintage quarter with the percentage of loans with a public record. Now, these are issued loans, so perhaps a TON of the ones on the platform won't issue, but 46% is so far out of line with the past, it makes me think something's wrong. That said, a public record isn't the end of the world.


. table iq, c(mean publicrecord)

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       iq | mean(public~d)
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   2007-2 |              0
   2007-3 |       .0740741
   2007-4 |       .0653951
   2008-1 |       .0856553
   2008-2 |       .0979167
   2008-3 |       .0734266
   2008-4 |       .0698925
   2009-1 |       .0552359
   2009-2 |       .0541825
   2009-3 |       .0361538
   2009-4 |       .0465632
   2010-1 |       .0584795
   2010-2 |       .0680249
   2010-3 |       .0613372
   2010-4 |       .0560286
   2011-1 |       .0562956
   2011-2 |       .0614628
   2011-3 |       .0634016
   2011-4 |       .0386435
   2012-1 |       .0314555
   2012-2 |       .0304205
   2012-3 |       .0296941
   2012-4 |       .0096432
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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2012, 01:00:26 AM »
Can someone re-check that my 46% is ballpark correct ................because that doesn't even sound right to me. The more I think about it, the more ridiculously high it sounds.

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2012, 01:18:56 AM »
My script says 48% of 3-year loans in the BrowseNotes file have a public record. Something's got to be wrong on their end.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2012, 01:35:30 AM by brycemason »

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2012, 05:13:08 AM »
Yeah, that can't be accurate.

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2012, 08:14:18 AM »
My script says 48% of 3-year loans in the BrowseNotes file have a public record. Something's got to be wrong on their end.
It seems like we just need a contact man in LC to point these things out to them.

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2012, 11:56:36 AM »
One point of view might be that there are 46% of the currently available notes with public records because the notes with public records stay available longer, and the notes without public records get funded faster.

So to your point Dan the only way to really compare this is to look at how the browsenotes.csv file changes over time.

Here's data I have from some older downloads:
Date/Time                Total Notes      Notes with PR  % with PR
12/25/12 09:14 AM     764                  109                 14.3% browseNotes(4)
11/25/12 08:52 AM     721                    19                   2.6% browseNotes(3)
11/18/12 10:06 AM     863                    18                   2.0% browseNotes(2)
09/25/12 12:00 PM    1352                    19                   1.4% browseNotes(1)  (okay that's just spooky)
 
Wow substantial change.  the other interesting thing was the notes from Nov & Sept didn't have any public records greater than 2.  The stuff from December has notes with public records as high as 5.

Still doesn't really answer the question of if people are changing what notes they are buying up.  Did the change happen because of who LC is approving or because of which loans are leaving the platform faster? Is it because of the discussion on this forum about public records being bad for ROI?

I couldn't attach the files (file size too big).  Is there a good way to post them somewhere for folks?

edit: okay got some drop box links:
these are all my browseNotes files that I have.
(1)  https://www.dropbox.com/s/e4tva3b7fqxy15p/browseNotes%20%281%29.csv  9/25/12 11:00 AM
(2)  https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5qd83q3ssplaum/browseNotes%20%282%29.csv  11/18/12 10:06 AM
(3)  https://www.dropbox.com/s/r5tawrqyvrwfp0v/browseNotes%20%283%29.csv  11/24/12 8:52 AM
(4)  https://www.dropbox.com/s/26qllni2ojfnwza/browseNotes%20%284%29.csv  12/25/12 9:14 AM
(5)  https://www.dropbox.com/s/1tlfs5yrln0i754/browseNotes%20%285%29.csv  12/28/12 7:14 AM
(6)  https://www.dropbox.com/s/652v307v89lemsl/browseNotes%20%286%29.csv  12/29/12 8:53 AM
« Last Edit: December 31, 2012, 11:05:30 AM by faeriering »

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2012, 12:59:14 PM »
One point of view might be that there are 46% of the currently available notes with public records because the notes with public records stay available longer, and the notes without public records get funded faster.

So to your point Dan the only way to really compare this is to look at how the browsenotes.csv file changes over time.

Here's data I have from some older downloads:
Date/Time                Total Notes      Notes with PR  % with PR
12/25/12 09:14 AM     764                  109                 14.3% browseNotes(4)
11/25/12 08:52 AM     721                    19                   2.6% browseNotes(3)
11/18/12 10:06 AM     863                    18                   2.0% browseNotes(2)
09/25/12 12:00 PM    1352                    19                   1.4% browseNotes(1)  (okay that's just spooky)
 
Wow substantial change.  the other interesting thing was the notes from Nov & Sept didn't have any public records greater than 2.  The stuff from December has notes with public records as high as 5.

Still doesn't really answer the question of if people are changing what notes they are buying up.  Did the change happen because of who LC is approving or because of which loans are leaving the platform faster? Is it because of the discussion on this forum about public records being bad for ROI?

I couldn't attach the files (file size too big).  Is there a good way to post them somewhere for folks?
May want to try Ge.tt or a Dropbox lnk.  I don't know what size you are talking about

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2012, 01:06:51 PM »
I believe it.  I typically invest in B-4 or worse rated loans.  Up until this past week I didn't even bother to have public records in my filter since there were so few I would just skip the few that had them as I went though.  There are so many now in the C and D grades esp. I started to filter them out to avoid mistakes. 

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2012, 02:14:28 PM »
Here is a break down of loans with public records by credit grade from today's browse Notes.  I'm getting an over all Public Record percentage of 46.7%


Grade, Pub Records (Total Loans), % w/ Record
A | 26  (241) | 10.8%
B | 233 (398) | 58.5%
C | 173 (307) | 56.4%
D | 58  (100) | 58.0%
E | 31  (69)  | 44.9%
F | 21  (39)  | 53.8%
G | 2   (11)  | 18.2%

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2012, 03:38:43 PM »
I think it has to be a mistake somehow in the data. Things don't change that fast without some explanation. Perhaps the explanation is they bought the National Association of People with Public Records mailing list! Or maybe the database is pulling the wrong records somehow.

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2012, 05:00:12 PM »
Does anyone know what percentage of the general adult population have a public record? It's under 5%, correct?

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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2012, 06:05:44 PM »
I would estimate that 4% of credit files would have a bankruptcy on record which is looks like most of the records in the current listings are.  Here is how I made my estimate...

There are some bankruptcy statistics on the US Courts website; http://www.uscourts.gov/Statistics/BankruptcyStatistics.aspx

I can't find any number about people with it on their record but if you look at those stats 1.3 million people declared bankruptcy during the year and 72% of those where first time filers so 1300000 * 72% = 936000 first time filers. A bankruptcy will be on your record at most 10 years in some cases less per experian's FAQ

http://www.experian.com/ask-experian/20110413-public-records-that-can-appear-in-your-credit-report.html

so 936000 * 10 = 9.36 million people with a bankruptcy record at any given time

According to Census data 76.3% of the population is over the age of 18 and there are 311 million people so 237 million adults who could have a credit record
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

9.36 / 237 = 3.9%
So a high estimate might be about 4% of credit files would have a public record from a bankruptcy.

looking at the browse notes there is actually a public record, and a public record from bankruptcy field and most of the records are in fact bankruptcy related.  Even is 4% is a total WAG clearly 46+% is way out of line with what you would expect.
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Re: Increase In Applicants With Public Records?
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2012, 11:07:15 AM »
Okay my files are on drop box.  Please tell me if you see something that I didn't in the files.  I also added the ones that I have from the last week.  Does anyone else keep these that they are willing to share?  It looks like there's an obvious change with my data set, but maybe someone else's data would show something else?