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Title: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: nonattender on June 27, 2017, 08:25:12 PM
Not even clearing my cookies can restore Google News to its old format...  I am extremely angry at Google, today.  They have stripped out all of the URLs in news results, making it impossible to gauge the source based upon anything but Google's attribution.  And they are now "fact-checking" ("let us be the arbiters of Truth") for the masses, through a bunch of idiotic "authorities" that they have somehow chosen.

Assholes.  Total fucking assholes @ GOOGL.

Where do I go for news aggregation, now?

Maybe Yahoo will now steal Google's old layout - just as Google has today stolen Yahoo's layout.

Is there a SCHOLAR.NEWS.GOOGLE.COM or something?  Can people who can read opt out of this clunky, large-font, picture-heavy, time-sucking bullshit?  ................... So angry.

"Cut down on clutter" = "Show only preferred headline" / "force more user interaction/clicks" / "satisfy loser, nerd 'data scientist' idiots"
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: lascott on June 27, 2017, 11:07:43 PM
I'm not a fan either ... especially on a wide monitor. We will see what feedback they give and if they add multiple columns back.  I'll be looking at other aggregation news sites too.
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: lascott on June 27, 2017, 11:25:11 PM
They have stripped out all of the URLs in news results, making it impossible to gauge the source based upon anything but Google's attribution.
BTW, I don't know what you mean by that because when I mouse hover over the headline my browser (Google Chrome) shows me the underlying URL.  The general settings also let you open the news in a new tab/window if you want -- https://news.google.com/news/settings/general?ned=us&hl=en
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: nonattender on June 28, 2017, 12:20:21 AM
They have stripped out all of the URLs in news results, making it impossible to gauge the source based upon anything but Google's attribution.
BTW, I don't know what you mean by that because when I mouse hover over the headline my browser (Google Chrome) shows me the underlying URL.  The general settings also let you open the news in a new tab/window if you want -- https://news.google.com/news/settings/general?ned=us&hl=en

Hover-over, in moz, was showing me the google urls with giant query strings.  Now fixed, showing underlying urls at proper addresses.

Still hate it.  Let me know if you find decent alternative.
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: lascott on June 28, 2017, 09:55:45 AM
They have stripped out all of the URLs in news results, making it impossible to gauge the source based upon anything but Google's attribution.
BTW, I don't know what you mean by that because when I mouse hover over the headline my browser (Google Chrome) shows me the underlying URL.  The general settings also let you open the news in a new tab/window if you want -- https://news.google.com/news/settings/general?ned=us&hl=en

Hover-over, in moz, was showing me the google urls with giant query strings.  Now fixed, showing underlying urls at proper addresses.

Still hate it.  Let me know if you find decent alternative.
I use News360 on my Android tablet. They have a PC web browser interface. I just use the basics of it as it does seem to put current news first. https://news360.com/web/
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: SeanMCA on June 28, 2017, 11:24:28 AM
Agreed. The new format is actually unusable.
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: nonattender on June 28, 2017, 12:07:00 PM
Thank you.  I am resistant to change - and a curmudgeon by nature - so I am glad to see, at least, that it was "not just me".

It's horrible UX design;  looks and feels as though being forced into using a giant, non-responsive mobile version, on desk...

About one out of every 10 times I clear cookies and navigate to news.google.com, it gives me the old layout - keeping open.

ETA:  Oh, goodie - Ars Technica article's comments section is 100% "I hate it, [insert critique]" - maybe they'll roll shit back...
---  https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/06/google-news-redesign-adds-fact-check-block-more-whitespace/?comments=1
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: lascott on June 28, 2017, 05:51:32 PM
Some alternatives mentioned here: how_to_revert_the_new_google_news https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/6jwipz/how_to_revert_the_new_google_news/

http://www.bing.com/news

https://newsstand.google.com/

http://newslookup.com/
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: nonattender on June 28, 2017, 11:41:54 PM
It's a giant AI training machine... In stupid fucking google, news reads you.  No wonder the EU is regulating these guys.  I see inability to drill down into a keyword - and only into a predefined "topic" - and I think, oh, what I see is being limited, so I can be the human captcha to train the "what does and does not belong in this topic" algorithm.  Goddamit.  Is nothing sacred?  I am becoming very tired of this shit.

Silicon Valley is due for a giant backlash.
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: Lovinglifestyle on June 29, 2017, 11:30:51 AM
It's a giant AI training machine... In stupid fucking google, news reads you.  No wonder the EU is regulating these guys.  I see inability to drill down into a keyword - and only into a predefined "topic" - and I think, oh, what I see is being limited, so I can be the human captcha to train the "what does and does not belong in this topic" algorithm.  Goddamit.  Is nothing sacred?  I am becoming very tired of this shit.

Silicon Valley is due for a giant backlash.

Sure do agree with everything you said.

I live in Southers Utah, where everything is "managed", from demographic catalogs to radio stations to book stores.  Noticed the difference as soon as I left California.  Without useful computer searches I feel more censored and restricted than ever.
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: rawraw on July 02, 2017, 04:38:30 AM
I use Flipboard on my cell phone

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Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: nonattender on July 02, 2017, 08:37:09 PM
I miss most the functionality to query by keyword, then sort by most recent, then show duplicates.  This process is now completely opaque and whatever story the algorithm might pick as 'authoritative' or 'representative' for a particular 'topic' (not a keyword, have to go through "Full Coverage" for a particular 'topic') is what is served, with no way to show/hide duplicates or do direct keyword queries and see, as an example, how widely a particular story has been dispersed / what outlets picked it up / what edgecase stories which are relevant (though not picked up as 'topical' by the algorithm) may have also appeared --- all stuff which can only be surfaced by humans doing KW queries...

I would box the engineers responsible about the ears - and send them back to fix everything that they've broken in the name of "design".

Fundamentally, a search company has now taken "news" and begun "curating" it (they will hide behind "the algorithm curates it", as they always do, but it is "curation" nevertheless).  Philosophically, that's about half-a-goose-step away from "censorship" dressed up as curation.

The search company has disabled/removed the ability for users to search through the news it aggregates.  I find that very troubling...
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: nonattender on July 19, 2017, 10:22:23 PM
Yup.  Here it is, the justification for breaking something that works --- in order to shove some crap, that doesn't, down our throats:

https://www.blog.google/products/search/feed-your-need-know/

Adult supervision is required at Google News.  Idiots running it...
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: jennrod12 on August 12, 2017, 11:57:01 PM
Seems like the old feed style is back on Google News.

Jenn
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: nonattender on August 13, 2017, 05:12:47 AM
Not for me - what do you see? I'm still having to use a... trick... to access the old news, in the old way, on my old desktop.  I guess I'm old.

But the upside of that is that it allows me to issue fortune-cookie-like proclamations, as above, where I say Google is due for a backlash...
Title: Re: Google News Redesign Sucks
Post by: nonattender on August 13, 2017, 11:21:35 PM
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."  (New CEO fixes News.)

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