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How do you move cash from your Prosper account to your Equity Trust account?
My Prosper account shows all cash and no notes but my Equity Trust account shows no cash and all securities.
With Lending Club you just use the Transfer Funds feature of their website to move cash but Prosper doesn't seem to have this.
I think I may need a form but I can't find one to download from either the ET or the Prosper websites.

Funny thing but I transferred cash from Prosper back to Fidelity a year ago and all I can find that I submitted at that time was a TOA to Fidelity to request the transfer from Equity Trust. As far as my records indicate Equity Trust moved the cash from Prosper to them and then to Fidelity without anything else from me.

I suspect RobL has completed his transfer out, but for others who need it, start with a TRADING ACCOUNT SALE DOI form from Equity Inst.  I don't believe it's posted online but customer service can email you one.  Once that completes you should see cash gone from Prosper and added to your R=Equity Inst account.

Investors - P / Re: Prosper 1099 - "Collectibles"
« on: March 10, 2020, 12:51:31 PM »
Here's a piece of my 1099 showing "Collectibles".  My best guess is there is a newby in the Tax service who thinks "Collections" = "Collectibles" LOL.

Investors - P / Re: Prosper 1099 - "Collectibles"
« on: March 10, 2020, 12:41:51 PM »
I received this "helpful" email from Prosper:

Thank you very much for reaching out, we appreciate you and your time.
We use Sovos a 3rd party tax vendor.  I just wanted to provide a little information on box 3 of your 1099 B.
"Collectibles" are considered alternative investments by the IRS and include things like art, stamps & coins, cards & comics, rare items, antiques, and so on. I hope this helps out!
Please feel free to ask any more questions if you have any.

General P2P Lending Discussion / Re: EstatePlanning for P2P Accounts
« on: March 10, 2020, 12:38:00 PM »
Thank you both for replying.  I was hoping there was some magic solution but maybe not!  Given economy downturn due to Covid-19, not sure I should be making new P2P loans anyway!

General P2P Lending Discussion / EstatePlanning for P2P Accounts
« on: March 06, 2020, 11:26:27 AM »
How have P2P investors handled their P2P accounts in their estate plans?  We are currently updating ours and would appreciate ideas!

In the simplest scenario, suppose a joint account at LC or Prosper, but only one spouse is interested in peer-to-peer investing, and the other is perhaps not really computer savvy at all.  When the P2P investor spouse (that's me, of course) passes away, the remaining spouse inherits the account, and assuming she doesn't really want to be a P2P investor, she has a few issues:
     Canceling auto invest, API or 3rd party investments in new loans
     Transferring cash elsewhere as it accumulates from interest and payoffs.
     Dealing with P2P taxes.
Unless she can sell notes via folio (LC only), there will be a time lag of 3 to 5 years when the account can't be closed. 
(If the account was an IRA, then the tax problem is solved but $ transfers are taxable (or to other IRAs).

Now consider a tougher scenario - unmarried person as the P2P investor, with, say 5 beneficiaries.  First, you have the same issues as with a spouse - does each beneficiary really want to be a P2P investor?  Second, do Prosper/LC have a process for splitting a P2P account? 

For an after tax account, Prosper does not even have a way to name a beneficiary, so it's probably best to use a trust account there.  Your general estate plan may call for distribution of all trust/estate assets to the beneficiaries asap, but is that even possible, or does the trust take 3-5 years to wind down (as successor trustee fees accumulate)?

For IRA accounts, you can name multiple beneficiaries at the IRA custodian, but what happens when the custodian tells LC/Prosper to split the account five ways?

Maybe the best estate plan is to start winding down my P2P accounts 3-5 years before I die?  Thanks in advance some help on this as you can see I pretty confused!


Investors - P / Prosper 1099 - "Collectibles"
« on: March 06, 2020, 10:57:38 AM »
Reviewed my 1099 from Prosper and was curious to see recovery and debt sale transactions listed as "Collectibles", box 3.  The amounts are small, but categorizing them as box 3 makes them subject to ordinary income tax.  Anyone else have the same issue?

Investing - General (not P2P) / Re: where to invest further
« on: August 29, 2017, 11:50:57 AM »
Re. American Home Pres., Wikipedia says:

AHP uses the current value of the home as the basis for determining the modified payments, principal discounts and incentive payments offered to borrowers. As a result of this formulaic approach, borrowers are not required to furnish significant documents in order to obtain mortgage modifications.

So there's your risk factor.  Lost you union job?  Now flipping burgers?  No problem!

Investors - LC / Re: What loan purpose to avoid?
« on: February 03, 2017, 08:25:49 AM »
Vacation loans.  Not because of returns, but simply a moral judgement on my part.  If you can't pay for your own vacation, don't expect me to finance it.

General P2P Lending Discussion / Re: Best Filter for Notes on Prosper
« on: January 31, 2017, 11:58:56 PM »
A search through Peter's old blog posts wil turn up more than one extolling the virtue of repeat borrowers.

Investors - LC / Are LC Grades Completely Random?
« on: August 22, 2016, 08:38:43 PM »
Hi.  Have been on prosper for 5 years, and now that LC is allowed in Oregon, I'm getting my feet wet.

I'm really struggling to understand LC's underwriting.  Here's an example using two listings from last month:

                Listing 1       Listing 2
Amount   $35K       $24K
Period   60               36
HO?           Rent               Mortgage
Yrs emp.    7                   2
Salary   $9K              $9K
State   TX                   MD
DTI          24.86%        22.99%
FICO     725                  685
Open Lns      9                   8
Rev Bal   $25K        $2.6K
Inquiries      1                   1
Dqs (2 yr)      0                   3

There are more data points of course, but those are the highlights.  Which listing do you like better?  Would you expect a dramatic difference in grades/interest rates between the two?

By now, you may have guessed that listing 1 is a G1 at 28.18% interest, while listing 2 is an A3 at 7.59%.  Does this make any sense at all?  Or does LC simply use a magic 8 ball to assign grades?


Investors - P / Prosper Beta View
« on: July 03, 2016, 09:22:17 AM »
What do people think about the new Beta View?

I've been trying to find a way to get to saved filters from the beta view. As far as I can tell, it can't be done. You can click on "Browse Loans" and then "Advanced / Saved Filters but no saved filters are shown there.  My conspiracy detector says maybe this Prosper's way of getting rid of saved filters and those annoying retail investors that like them.

Another dumb thing:  the Account Overview screen has a little bar chart of your notes by grade, but if you have an IRA account, instead of the bar chart you get a bright orange box that says "Add some cash to start investing".  Never mind that you have mucho uninvested cash and hundreds of notes in your account already, the coder apparently thinks if you don't have a linked bank account you have no notes to chart.  Dude, just search for notes and if none are found and cash is $0, then display the orange box!

Investors - LC / How's My Timing?
« on: June 02, 2016, 08:09:22 PM »
Live in Oregon so have waiting years for our state to be added to the Investment side of LC (and made do with Prosper for 4+ years). Finally, as of Jan 2016, we are joining the 21st century.  So I opened an LC IRA for dear wife, initiated a rollover, and her account became active May 16.  Just in time for some really bad stuff happening at LC!

I do have one question - when browsing listings on LC, is there an easy way to ask for just the current feeding, or just new since last logon, etc?  On Prosper this is easy since each loan link changes color once viewed but on LC They don't.

Investors - P / Strangest Repeat Borrower Ever?
« on: July 27, 2015, 12:06:50 PM »
Here's a listing for an Auto Loan from a repeat borrower.  Borrower has five previous loans for a total of $25,000; no payments (late or on time) on any of them, and now wants $20,000 for a car.  No, it's not a data mistake - all five previous loans are dated July, 2015!

Assuming you file federal and state taxes using VA address, I don't see a problem. 

Let's walk this through.  Suppose we have, for 2014, $5,000 in P2P losses.  No other capital gains or losses.  And 100 shares of a stock worth $100/share; tax basis $80 per share.  We plan to sell this stock in 2015, when it may be worth, say $120/share.

Scenario 1:  Don't sell and rebuy the stock.  We have a 2014 write-off of $3,000 in losses against our income, plus a $2,000 capital loss carry over.  In 2015, we sell our stock and have a $4,000 gain, but we can use the $2,000 loss carry over to reduce that to $2,000. 

Scenario 2.  In late 2014, we sell and then re-buy the stock.  We have a 2,000 gain, and we still have $5,000 in P2P losses.  We still deduct the same $3,000 from our income, and our 2014 tax is the same as in scenario 1.  In 2015, we sell the stock and have a $2,000 gain, but no loss carry over, so we have to pay tax on the $2,000 gain.

In other words, there's no difference.

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